Showing posts with label Michael Dowd. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Michael Dowd. Show all posts

July 07, 2008

Michael Dowd on The Infidel Guy Show

I've written enough entries about Michael Dowd by now that surely I should institute a tag for him.

Dowd was a guest on The Infidel Guy Show a couple of days ago and the podcast of that show is now available. Have a listen.

The talk that Dowd gives is very much like the one that I attended in Connecticut. I still have the same concerns and I still haven't read his book, either. Someday I will, but my reading list is largely constrained by hard science lately. I still have barely started Kenneth Miller's latest book.

It occurs to me that what Michael is probably best at could be termed "evolution for people who don't care about biology." The Infidel Guy himself points this out during the interview. I don't mean that in a derogatory way. I have heard rumors that there are a lot of people out there who aren't interested in the study of the life sciences. I don't think I know any of them, but I'm a bio-geek. Let's face it, though, most people are never going to spend so much as half an hour a day studying biology. There's a niche to fill here. Right now, that niche is largely being filled by the simplistic and science-antagonistic spew of Intelligent Design Creationists. Dowd stands to become a competitor in that niche, and the Neo-Creationists know it, judging by reactions I've seen from them.

So listen and see what you think. Let's talk about it. Who knows, Michael might even show up and we might all learn something from this interaction.

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June 20, 2008

Neo-Creationists Upset by Michael Dowd but It Has Nothing to do with Religion

For all my points of disagreement with Michael Dowd's ideas, there's one thing I do particularly like about him. He's apparently driving the ID-Creationists into a fit. They're complaining that he's part of a "blitzkrieg" against them. Why, oh why, is everyone against the poor, oppressed loons?

Having heard Dowd last night and seeing his reaction to my critique of his presentation, I find it hard to believe that "blitzkrieg" is even part of the man's vocabulary, let alone something he'd engage in. But that hasn't stopped Uncommon Descent into Intellectual Paralysis author Salvador Cordova from whining about him doing it in an entry entitled, amusingly enough, Theistic Darwinists blitzkrieg the ID movement. A couple of the comments are quite precious:

That's gotta be the most inane drone promotional thing I've seen in years. Unbelievable!

How much lower can they go?

Reverend? Of what church?
My 1st guess is the FSM church for the brain-dead?

And look at these comments from amazon :

"The universe took 13.7 billion years to produce this amazing book. I heartily recommend it."

— John Mather, NASA Chief Scientist, 2006 Nobel Prize in Physics

Indeed! The universe produced this book - it evolved like a brain tumor...

Borne

Ah, yes, the evolution of brain tumors. Ancestral to IDolators, as I recall.
...It is incongruous to affirm an Orthodox Christian theology while simultaneously affirming a completely unguided process of random mutation and natural selection. The two are mutually exclusive.

toc

All this concern over Orthodox Christianity... I'd almost think that Intelligent Design had a religious basis, but we all know that that can't possibly be true because they never actually say "Goddidit" while the cameras are rolling. Where this particular IDolator got the impression that Dowd counts himself an orthodox anything is beyond me. After hearing what he had to say, I doubt he'd consider himself orthodox in much of what he does, if anything. If I'm wrong about that, I'd be surprised.
No one can serve two masters, because either he will hate one and love the other, or be loyal to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Darwin.
– Matthew 6:24, modified

Larry "Everybody's Favorite Nutsack" Fafarman

Yes, there's nothing quite like "modifying" a Biblical passage to make it say whatever you want it to while simultaneously denying that the movement you consider yourself part of has nothing to do with religion. News for Farfleman; nobody serves Darwin. Darwin's a dead guy. Just like Jesus.
I don't think it a stretch to see this as a sign of the times - namely a deluding influence - as Dowd says- forget guilt. We then would not need Jesus to take it away (ALL that Gospel/Bible stuff for no real reason), just realize our less enlightened past was the reason and pop - FREEDOM INDEED - step into our glorious future!. So - OK Mr. Dowd - have you now NO sin? I would quote some verses for you, but I am sure they would only be some of the ones not needed anymore. Sad indeed the anyone would have this level of not understanding and think themselves enlightened and lead other right into the pit with them. You think 5 Nobel prize winners can save you? Well, as you say - its your choice.

alan

Nope, no religion in that ID bunch at all. I'm sure that alan's comment was meant in the most secular sense possible.
A lot of people have figured out that many atheists due to the "threat" of ID have fanatically embraced evolution in a religious fervor. Thus creating a large market for evolution porn where they can mentally wank to the idea that "theocracy" in the Trojan horse of ID is being soundly beaten into submission.

mentok

Somehow, it makes sense that someone with such a comic view of reality would use the name of a cartoon character, but no matter. I predicted in my critique of Dowd's talk that infelxibly religious types would take his ideas as evidence that science seeks to replace religion, or to become a religion, and I barely had to look at all to find someone doing exactly that. The masturbatory images coming from the cartoon character in combination with religion probably tells us a little bit more about him than we really wanted to know. I've already critiqued Dowd, so I don't think I need to point out how silly the assertion is. I'd no more follow a religion based on evolutionary biology than I'd follow one based on flying monkeys, burning bushes, implements of torture or talking fish. We can see readily from whence the wanking cometh, can we not... eth?

Still, anything that upsets the Uncommon Decline crowd is OK by me. Whatever else I may say about such things, they have merit for that fact alone.

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Thoughts on Michael Dowd: Erroneous but Perhaps Positively So

Willington, CT is a bedroom community located about 5 miles from the University of Connecticut in Storrs. Michael Dowd spoke at its public library last night; the event was arranged by a local spiritual group whose leader, Bob DiQuattro, is an ordained minister and pastor of the United Church of Christ and grief counselor. It was clear from the outset that Dowd, dressed in a t-shirt, slacks and sandals, wasn’t going to be the fire and brimstone preacher type. Dowd demeanor conveys an identity more like that of a peace activist than a minister, more the self-help guru than the doctor of psychiatry. Two words that describe the instant impression of Dowd — and lingered for me through his talk — are, “nice guy.” I came away from his presentation without a doubt in my mind that Dowd isn’t up to anything that he isn’t perfectly willing to state in plain language. When Dowd says that he’s out to heal the rift between religion and science in America, that he thinks it crucial that religious people embrace evolutionary ideas as part of their theology, and that he wants to be a guest on “Oprah” in order to get his message out, he’s saying exactly what he mains. Whether his “evolution theology” can accomplish anything more than the third of these goals, however, I find highly questionable.

Dowd began his presentation with a pyramid that at its base had four principles of division between science and religion stated as “vs.” categories. For instance, the language of science was compared to that of religion as “day vs. night language,” with science speaking the former tongue and religion the latter. Day language is the language of facts and analysis, culturally non-specific and accessible to anyone regardless of religious context. Night language, the mother tongue of religions, is the semiological equivalent of dreams. It is bound to specific cultures so to time and geography. It isn’t literal; it has to be interpreted and this can only be done within its specific context. He illustrated the difference between these waking and dreaming lexicons by using the Genesis account of the temptation of Eve by the serpent in Eden. If one were to meet a talking snake on the way to one’s car, Dowd explained, we would wonder “who slipped us the LSD” because such an event would be far outside anything we could rationally expect to experience in waking consciousness. Yet people can still find truth in such a story by interpreting it in light of what we do know about the world. The serpent, Eve, Eden and the whole story are metaphorical but still convey information, in other words, about the human condition. Thus, he maintained, those who insist on a literal interpretation — he calls such people “flat-earth Christians” — are missing the whole point of the story and failing in both their role as spiritual and rational humans.

Another such distinction he examined was “public vs. private revelation.” Private revelation, like night language, is culturally and temporally specific. As he put it, “Moses went up on the mountain, something happened” and the result was a change that was relevant to a given culture. Private revelation is knew understanding of the working of the universe that comes through one person and is not universal. By “public revelation,” Dowd is referring to science, the “skeptical process” by which cultural specificity is stripped away in order to make understanding of reality universal. My understanding of this, then, boils down to the idea that Dowd’s “private revelation” is of limited scope and meaningful only to those who possess the right night language lexicon to decipher it, whereas “public revelation” is accessible to everyone. It’s an interesting idea, but this was the first area in which I find a basic flaw in Dowd’s ideas. The language of science is filled with jargon and concepts that are meaningful only to those who have put in the effort to become conversant with it. A lexicon is still required and there is no reason to expect that everyone will have the means to possess it, a situation which is illustrated in current science vs. religion debates. Every time a Creationist asserts that the Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolutionary theory an impossibility, for example, they are demonstrating precisely that they don’t possess the right conceptual dictionary to comprehend the science implicit in their argument. In essence, this is really no different from a Christian mocking a Hindu for believing in many deities instead of one because the former doesn’t understand the “night language” of the other. In order for Dowd’s evolutionary theology to become adopted by anyone, then, it would be necessary for the potential adopter to either learn a number of other lexicons or else be willing to disregard the differences between them, whether we’re talking about religion or science. It’s a catch-22 situation as far as I can see, because inflexibly religious people aren’t going to do that and scientists have enough trouble keeping up with developments in their own field and unless their field has to do with religious experience they don’t have the time to learn the “night language” of other religions in order to foster dialogue between scientific skepticism and religious symbolism. Unfortunately for Dowd, who I think is absolutely sincere in his desire to see religion and science locked in a fond embrace, this is only the first of several such difficulties that ultimately leave us exactly where we started, even given his initial assumption that the reconciliation of reason and faith is necessary and productive.

The next tier on Dowd’s pyramid consisted of what he termed three fundamental scientific discoveries. The first of these, however, seems to me more of a personal interpretation of a basic property of self-organization. The label Dowd assigns to it is “nested creatheism,” and he stressed that the second word can be pronounced as either “cre-A-theism” or “cre-uh-theism.” He defines this as the spontaneous organization of simple components into more complex systems; subatomic particles assemble into atoms, atoms into molecules, molecules into organisms, organisms into societies, and creativity thus exists at every level in this analogy that he glyphs as a nested doll, with smaller dolls inside of larger ones. The largest doll, containing all the rest, is the universe, or God, or whatever other name one might attach to it. In set theory, this would be the infinite universal set. Dowd stressed that this isn’t a teleological principle; there’s no inherent purpose to it, it wasn’t designed and there isn’t a puppet-master pulling invisible strings to make it happen. This assertion brought to my mind something that John Allen Paulos wrote about in his recent book, Irreligion:

Some thinkers such as Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and Baruch Spinoza seem to identify Him with the laws of physics or the structure of the universe…

Irreligion, p 99

What Dowd appears to be talking about is, I think, better known as emergent properties. I don’t understand why there is a necessity to coin a new term to describe a fairly old concept, although this may be explained by the presence of emergence as another of the three scientific discoveries in this tier of Dowd’s pyramid. It may be that it’s just convenient to separate “spontaneous creativity” and emergent properties in order to make an esthetically-pleasing pyramid shape. In any case, this isn’t something new to scientists and I am not at all sure why those who oppose science in the name of religion would be inclined to accept a non-teleological basis for increased complexity. To the contrary, it seems that all Dowd has done here is recapitulate one of the issues that divides the religious fundamentalist from the naturalistic scientist.

The next level of Dowd’s pyramid consists of two approaches to understanding reality. On the one hand is the sectarian, religiously conservative approach by which religious texts are used as source material. On the other is the secular, religiously liberal approach, by which Dowd seemed to mean one that embraces empiricism rather than authority. I’m unclear on why this is important in Dowd’s “evolution theology”, aside perhaps from the notion that one has to use different language (again, night vs. day) in order for one side to make itself understandable to the other.

The capstone in Dowd’s pyramid is “a healthy future for the whole.” By reconciling all of these dichotomies and synthesizing science and religion, by the two sides understanding each other, we can bring about a transformation in the way that humans interact with the world that “aligns” us with the best interests of ecology and creates a better future. It’s a noble enough notion, certainly, but I’m not sure that Dowd’s belief that reconciliation of science and religion makes this possible or that incentivizing people to act in the best interests of the biosphere as a whole through their self-interest can ultimately pan out. Dowd expressed a few concepts in terms of gain theory (e.g., increasing strata of complexity resulting from emergent properties as “non-zero sum). There is another related concept: the red queen. That is to say that even when some biological or social system achieves an apparent equilibrium beneficial to all of its parts, sooner or later a cheater arises who exploits that very system for its own gains and by so doing can ultimately destroy it. Why this shouldn’t be expected to occur in the kind of system that Dowd envisions as a result of his evolution theology was never explained, nor was the red queen herself ever brought up. Dowd’s is a glittering Utopian vision and one that certainly feels good at an emotional level, but at the rational level based on empirical understanding of how evolution really works it is an exceptionally unlikely scenario for anything more than a brief historical period.

I’ve already critiqued Dowd a good deal and yet have barely gotten into his presentation, so I want to make clear that I can see a lot of potential good in Dowd’s message, flawed though it is. While few people are going to devote themselves to a full understanding of evolutionary theory or scientific knowledge because of what Dowd has to say, I do think that he can provide a ground upon which the religious can get over the assumption that science is out to obscure what they feel are religious truths. They may not actually learn much about science, but I think that merely having this feel-good view of it is a useful thing. While I find it hard to believe that Dowd is going to sway religious fundamentalists of any stripe, and as a scientist I don’t find myself transformed in any way by the presentation, his message is a good one for middle America to hear. It may allay some fears when it comes to talking about the content of science education, for example, and that in itself is an important point to keep in mind. I don’t, and never have expected, that everyone in America would ever become a scientist and so it isn’t necessary for the bulk of the population to have a detailed understanding of biology. What is important is that half or more of our population isn’t frightened by those of us who do and that they get over the notion that their children are going to be indoctrinated into some sort of science-based cult by receiving a sound education themselves. Dowd provides a warm-and-fuzzy way for this to happen, and that’s far more critical at this juncture in history than that every American citizen understand what fitness means in terms of natural selection and the fine points of how self-splicing genetic sequences can alter the course of evolutionary history. Fundamentalism flourishes in an environment of fear; Dowd may be a good agent for countering that situation. He might make for a poor scientist, but he’d be an excellent guest on the talk show circuit. By all means, put the man on “Oprah.”

A theme that ran throughout Dowd’s presentation, and which also formed one of the basal blocks of his pyramid is the difference between faith and belief. Faith, in Dowd’s interpretation, is simply an open and trusting stance in regard to the universe and the result of interpretation of religious stories. Belief is particular; it relies on the acceptance of religious imagery as literal truth. In other words, a Christian might read a story from the New Testament and interpret it in light of worldly knowledge and so come to an understanding that no matter what happens, everything will be alright in the end. Alternatively, he might read the same story and thereafter insist that Jesus literally walked on water and that an actual multicephalic dragon was going to emerge from the center of the earth at the end of time. The former is faith, the latter is belief. Belief is counterproductive, faith is not. This works fine on the religious side of the spectrum, bt what about when it comes to science? Dowd asserted that he finds faith arising from an understanding of cataclysms throughout evolutionary history because each mass extinction was followed by adaptive radiation and speciation. In other words, life will always find a way. He finds faith in DNA, too. During the brief question and answer period, I was one of three people who got to ask a question. My question was that, being that I look at genetic sequences nearly every day and don’t find a reason to trust the universe anymore than I already do because of it, where in DNA can one find reason for increasing faith? Dowd’s response to my question was to refer back to periods of rapid evolution following cataclysmic extinction events. Frankly, I don’t feel that he really addressed my question on this point. I still don’t see any reason to be more open and trusting based on the alignment of genetic sequences that are already so much a part of my existence based on the continuation of biology through periods of destruction. Dowd seems to be saying that these impersonal bits of life’s history can serve as a model for getting through times of crisis in one’s own life. Our personal disasters are tiny as compared to those that have befallen the earth in the past and everything worked out for the better for life, so that should be a sign to us that we’ll emerge better for our individual tribulations, too. This presupposes that it’s true that life on earth is better for having been nearly wiped out in the past, but we have no way of knowing whether the world would be better off if the evolutionary trajectory of dinosaurs had continued to the exclusion of the eventual rise of primates. We can only take the personal view in the first place that things as they are constitute the best of all possible worlds because we’re here to say so. Moreover, observation tells us that many people in the world are not better off because they trust in an essential goodness of the universe or God or even other people. There are any number of disasters that occur in people’s lives that are never resolved for the better; someone who dies of cancer or who loses everything they ever had and winds up homeless and starving can take little solace in the fact that the asteroid that killed off the sauropods likely made it possible for we humans to eventually come into existence and there’s no good reason that they should. This part of Dowd’s evolution theology reminded me far more of self-help ideology than it did of anything that we can logically infer from science. Indeed, it would only make sense in a system that incorporated a teleological, “everything happens for a reason” element, which science manifestly does not. It’s a bit of warm-and-fuzzy, certainly, but in and of itself doesn’t appear to me as anything that couldn’t result from a literal interpretation of scripture.

In a general sense, what Dowd is bringing to the discussion isn’t anything new. Most of what he talked about were things I’ve seen in various mystical ideas; Dowd has a lot in common with Ramakrishna, for example. What’s new here is that Dowd is trying to incorporate intrinsically scientific principles into a mysticism that turns them into universal exposition of what were previously culturally-specific ideas expressed by religions that were based in part on dreamlike symbolism and in part on imperfect and limited understanding of all of the mechanisms by which the world works (as I’ve said in the past, religions are attempts to explain the world that were formulated with the best tools available at the time but which aren’t as good as those we have now, and so those who cling to literalism do a disservice both to religion and progress). There’s a hidden danger in doing this, because his efforts could certainly serve as an alarm to those who’ve been insisting all along that science is a religion. They could well point to Dowd as an example of someone who is trying to replace religion with science and who disregards, for example, the notion of non-overlapping magisteria. I haven’t looked for examples of this to date, but I’m sure I could find at least a few if I tried.

To the extent that Dowd is a novelty in the context of the ongoing “culture wars” in America and elsewhere, I do think we’ll be hearing more about him, and all-in-all I see no problem with that. He could make the situation a little better and I don’t think he could make it much worse. On the other hand, I don’t see a basis for thinking that his ideas are going to change things overall. Considering that he closed his presentation with the hope that lessons from biology could serve as the basis for a new system of government, I’m inclined to hope that he doesn’t garner too much influence. I don’t think that would be a good idea; biology is explanatory and it can and should inform relevant decisions made by governments, but I would certainly vote against any candidate for office who thought that our system of government should look like a biological system. Evolutionary biology shows us that the history of life is rather harsh overall, that it’s driven by competition and destruction. I wouldn’t want to live in a society that used natural selection as a basis for inclusion. One of the great things about humanity is that we can do much more than mere biology would allow because our capacities to imagine and envision are emergent properties that have been produced from evolutionary processes. We’re the first species that we know of that can step outside the confines of pure biology, so we needn’t — and shouldn’t — be limited by biology itself.

In summation, then, Dowd is interesting, but I think he’s still falling into many of the traps that mystics throughout history have encountered. His desire to see the reconciliation of science and religion is noble in and of itself but his ideas don’t really constitute a means by which this can happen unless he’s talking to an audience that has already decided that such a reconciliation is possible in the first place, which essentially means that both religious fundamentalists and so-called “new atheists” — the very people he most needs to reach — are very unlikely to accept his message. While he acknowledged repeatedly that evolution isn’t soft and cuddly, he largely misses out or passes over the points from evolutionary biology that run counter to a Utopian vision for the future at either the personal or societal level. Dowd certainly isn’t an evangelical Christian in the sense that we normally see that term used, nor is he a scientist or science teacher. He shares a good deal of methodology with self-help mavens, though, and audiences open to the spiritualistic sources like The Secret are the ones most likely to be receptive to his ideas. While I think he’s in error about what evolutionary biology tells us about ourselves and abut the world, his errors are at least positive ones. Considering what we have before us in American society today, I find myself in favor of his continuing to get his message out, if only because it stands to replace erroneous thinking that is inimical to science with erroneous thinking that at least leaves the door open for the continuation of scientific progress.

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June 19, 2008

Critique of Dowd Will Wait for Morning

By the time Michael Dowd finished his presentation tonight the library was closed and I had no place to set up my laptop. I got home a little under an hour ago and I'm absolutely beat. My full critique of the evening's talk will have to wait until morning. If you absolutely must have some inkling of my opinion on Dowd's talk, click over to a comment I just left on RichardDawkins.net. It's not all that coherent, but it's there.

Sleep, then blog. See you in the morning.

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In Willington Waiting for Dowd

I'm currently at the Willington, CT Public Library awaiting the start of the talk by Michael Dowd. In the meantime, here's a picture of the back of his van:



I'll try to update again before leaving here while everything is fresh in my mind.

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A Bad Day for Skeptical Blogging

My busy day kept me away from the blogs I normally read; by the time I got around to it my reader had accumulated over 140 new entries. Among these were two of the most disappointing things I've seen from the skeptical/rationalist blogosphere in quite a long time — perhaps ever.

The worse of the two was an update posted to Skepchick entitled Why I Support Intelligent Design, authored by writerdd. It's a very good example of very bad thinking, putting forth the proposition that teaching Intelligent Design Creationism in public schools would be just fine since public schools already teach erroneous things anyhow. As I commented there, one doesn't solve a problem by adding yet another problem to the situation. If schools are teaching incorrect lessons, then the mistakes need to be corrected. Adding a little more bad teaching makes the problem that much worse.

Writerdd is of the opinion that ID is a backdoor to an understanding of evolutionary biology in a scientific sense — a patently mistaken impression for which I am unaware of any evidence at all. Plumbing the absolute depths of misdirection, however, is saved for the very end of the entry:

Yes, I want to improve education, but I'm really tired of all the fear mongering of the left and skeptics over this stuff. I spent half of my life being afraid of liberals and secularists dragging the world to hell and I most certainly am not going to spend the second half of my life being afraid of conservatives and religionists dragging the world to hell. Let's get a grip on the actual severity of these problems and stop blowing everything out of proportion.
There is a big difference, of course, between the religious belief that the world could be literally dragged into hell by the behavior of people with whom a deity disagrees and the metaphorical use of "hell" as a signifier of highly unfavorable conditions. Moreover, opposition to bad science and bad thinking being taught in schools (and writerdd herself refers to ID as a "god of the gaps" argument) isn't a left-vs.-right issue except insofar as certain politically divisive figures like to paint evolutionary theory as part of a larger liberal conspiracy. Science itself is empirical, not political and I can point to at least one blog — Darwin Central — which is authored by Republicans and certainly doesn't espouse any left-wing political views. In short, writerdd's tripeful article fails every skeptical sniff test and to see it appearing in Skepchick, one of my favorite blogs, is quite a disappointment.

Effectively at the other end of the spectrum are the majority of comments on an article entitled Darwinists for Jesus on RichardDawkins.net. The article discusses Michael Dowd's efforts to reach evangelicals with the message that there is no conflict between evolutionary theory and religious belief and that literalism isn't a positive stance. I admit that I haven't had time to read Dowd's book and that I no doubt would disagree with his theology. By the same token, the next non-pure science item on my reading list is Ken Miller's Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul. Miller counts himself a Christian and I doubt that I would agree with his theology, either. The point is that the message that either Dowd or Miller is promulgating should be evaluated on its own merits and the value thereof appraised independently of the messenger. That, to me, is logical, and so skeptical, thinking.

I thus find it more than a little disappointing to see multiple comments like this one in the discussion on RichardDawkins.net:
He is just trying to square the circle. How can someone understand evolution and still beleive in the fairy tales of any religion?
Only thing missing here is the lack of courage to admit that religions have no place whatsoever in any scientific circle. These type of pseudo-scholars are more pathetic than the plain-old stupid religious folks because they have successfully conned the general public into thinking that there are two sides to the evoultion theory.

Farooq

From a logical standpoint, this shouldn't matter at all. My own curiosity about Dowd can be boiled down to two questions:
  1. Is he passing on realistic information about evolutionary biology?
  2. If so, can his message be effective in defusing the issue among evangelicals and so removing, or at least reducing the utility of, a wedge issue that American fundamentalists are trying to use as a means by which to reshape both culture and science in their own image?
Now, it may be that Dowd fails on both counts, and it may be that he's a nutter (as commenter lozzer describes him). On the other hand, the potential exists for some good to come of Dowd's efforts and the properly skeptical thing to do here is to hear what he has to say.

As I've mentioned before, I will be attending Dowd's appearance in Connecticut this evening. I'll be bringing along a notebook and either late this evening or tomorrow morning I expect to write an update here reviewing Dowd's statements about science and possibly about theology as well if I feel that there is reason to address the latter. Dismissing his ideas about culture and science without prior consideration, though, is really not much different from religious literalism itself. The fact that Dowd counts himself an evangelical believer but sees no conflict with science and his beliefs should make him interesting, not a subject for derision out of the starting gate. As rational thinkers, it is incumbent upon us to consider an idea before rejecting it and not refusing to consider it because we disagree with the messenger on some other issue.

It's sad to see sloppy thinking and intellectual militancy in fora that are generally dedicated to precisely the opposite of these things. I take solace in that these are isolated incidents, though, and that both are the sorts of things that other reasonable people will take the time to analyze and correct, as in another comment on the RichardDawkins.net article:
I've actually read Thank God for Evolution, and it is very very good! It was bought for me by my fundie friend who thought it might convert me to christianity so I approached it quite dubiously but when i saw it included Dawkins' letter to his daughter about good and bad reasons for believing I was really impressed!
All the science in the book is accurate, all the religion is metaphorical and its basically just about showing how science can have the poetic beauty that many religious believers don't want to let go of - so similiar to Dawkins and Tyson in that respect. Also his simplified description of our evolved mind as a way of reworking the tired concepts of good and evil are quite useful.
I have a lot of support for Dowd and would highly reccommend his book.

LaurenceH86

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June 12, 2008

Reminder: Thank God for Evolution Tour of New England

A reminder to New Englanders that Michael Dowd, preacher and author of Thank God for Evolution, will be swinging through southern New England this month:

I'm planning to attend Dowd's talk in Willington. I don't think for a moment that I'll agree with everything he says and I'm not making any endorsement of his ideas on either religion or science. Nonetheless, I think Dowd may be an interesting speaker from what I've read about him in the press regarding appearances elsewhere in the country. I'm curious to hear about his proposed resolution of empirical evidence and Christianity.

If any readers in the Worcester area would like to attend the event, let me know and we can share the ride to Willington. The event itself is free, but if fellow attendees are willing to share the investment in gasoline, I won't object in the slightest. If you'd like to come along, send an email to dowdinwillington [AT] mycolicious [DOT] com.

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March 24, 2008

Michael Dowd and the Sense of Awe

I continue seeing Michael Dowd's quotes in various papers as he travels around preaching his "evolution theology." It's interesting. I'm not about to convert to any religion based on it, but one of the interesting parts to me is the sense of awe that Dowd is trying to communicate. I have what I think is a similar awe about life, the universe and everything; I get the same goosebumps, albeit without a need to posit anything supernatural being involved.

The latest such quotes are in conjunction with Dowd's current visit to the San Francisco Bay Area where he's scheduled to speak at several Unitarian Universalist churches. The Contra Costa Times published the story from which I've excerpted below:

Preacher mixes evolution with faith

... "The atoms of our bodies are literally stardust," he tells the rapt crowd. "The carbon and the oxygen and the nitrogen were formed inside red giant stars. The gold and silver and other heavy metals were formed in supernova stars that then explode" -- his voice reaches a crescendo -- "with this tremendous metal-rich stardust."...

So serious is he about his "responsibility to find more sacred, meaningful holy ways of promoting evolution" that Dowd has taken to criss-crossing the country in a van with his wife, science writer Connie Barlow...

When he heard a talk on "The Universe Story" his reaction was immediate and visceral.

"I had goose bumps up and down my arms and legs and I started to cry," he said. "From then on, I became very passionate about evolution..."

They stay in the homes of supporters, and he speaks to groups of Unitarians, Mennonites, Buddhists, Quakers and humanists. He has not been invited to address fundamentalist congregations, but he did meet with 125 moderate to liberal evangelicals at a conference in the Bahamas.

"We're going to see this evolution theology movement come into the mainstream," he said, chatting over a Formica table in a McDonald's -- the only place in San Francisco's Mission District with parking spaces large enough to accommodate his 20-foot-long van.

"We see the sciences as revelatory," he said. Fundamentalists believe "all the really important revelation happened in Biblical times, and we are saying no..."

Through the use of mythic, poetic language, Dowd believes he can inspire believers and non-believers to grasp evolution -- and the universe -- as a continuous revelation.

"Any God that can be believed in or not believed in is precisely not what I'm talking about," he tells a congregation in a video clip. "Do you get that? I'm talking about something that is undeniably real. whether you call it God or not is up to you..."

"All of nature is in an act of holy communion," he said. "It's always saying 'take, eat, this is my body.'

"It's not survival of the most ruthless, it's survival of the most cooperative. Mutual benefit is all throughout nature..."

If You Go

The Rev. Michael Dowd will "teach and preach" as he calls it around the Bay Area this month. He will appear at:
  • # 7 p.m. Friday, Mission Peak Unitarian Universalist Congregation, 2950 Washington Blvd. in Fremont. 510-252-1477
  • # 9:30, 11:15 a.m. and 2 p.m. Sunday, Unity Church in Marin, 600 Palm Drive, Novato. 415-475-5000.
  • # 7 p.m. April 3, Unitarian Universalist Congregation, 300 E. Santa Inez Ave. in San Mateo. 650-342-5946
To be clear, I don't see anything particularly "holy" about nature. The implications of that word are unclear; what is holy and what is not holy? I think that's just a word that we humans like to attach to anything that inspires that sense of awe, that feeling of being something very small but capable of grasping little bits of something much, much larger than ourselves. The universe and all of its intricacies inspire such feelings directly among those of us, from whatever persuasion of philosophy we may come to it, who make some attempt to understand it. Religions are, in part, an attempt to make that which inspires such a feeling more comprehensible. In religion, motivation is ascribed to something that its creators place "behind it all." The interpretation of those motivations often becomes the work of some priestly class, whether that class be a formalized one or not. I think all of that is unnecessary and even confounding. If I may be so bold as to redefine the word "divine" for a moment, I think that there can be no better personal relationship with the divine than one in which one rolls up ones sleeves and plunges up to the elbows in it in an attempt to understand some aspect of it and communicate that one facet to others who are, in turn, exploring their own areas.

Who doesn't feel a certain awe at the realization that everything of which we are made was produced in the hearts of great cosmic fusion furnaces that once burned and then burst into showers of particles? Who hasn't considered the infinitesimal odds of each atom in our bodies coming together to create us as we are? Who can fail to perceive some connectedness to all of life and the universe upon arriving at the knowledge that at every instant we are exchanging discreet packets of energy with our surroundings, with all that we see and touch and many other things of which we will never be aware? It is nothing if not astounding. Inserting some abstraction in the middle of it, though, absolves us from doing the work needed to find answers. If we can never hope to know the omniscient will of some demiurge, of what use is any attempt to do so? There's a degeneracy in that way of thinking, a laziness and a hopelessness that I do not think should be our proper lot as a species. No knowledge is forbidden other than that which we forbid to ourselves. Dowd, I think, has come to something like this realization, but continues to couch it in religious terms. It may all be semantic games; it's too bad he's never really gotten his hands dirty with the details of any of it so far as I know.

Still, I think that if he ever came to Massachusetts I would want to go hear what he has to say firsthand. I think I should like to talk with him about it. His assertion that he isn't interested in a theology based on belief is interesting in itself; what he thinks the implications of this might ultimately be for religion would be worth hearing about in thinking on Dowd's message. If belief doesn't matter, why have particular religions at all? If there's no empirical support for various dogmas, why not simply do away with them in favor of direct experience? Of what use is any a priori prohibition, concept of "sin" or sacredness?

I may yet have the chance to check this out, though. It looks like he's doing a swing through New England in June, with stops in Rowe, MA and Willington, CT. Road trip, anyone?

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February 24, 2008

On Michael Dowd and Gods in Small Boxes

The title of this entry was supposed to be provisional, but I can't come up with a good one so it will have to do.

I haven't been quiet about my objections to theisms and it's not exactly a secret that I have no use for evangelists and martyrs. People who spend their time trying to filter reality through belief based on some scriptural interpretation bore me on my best days and annoy me on those days when my patience is a little thin. Still, I've been hearing here and there about Michael Dowd, and while I don't agree with everything he says, some of it is interesting enough that I have to admit a certain respect for him. I haven't read his books and probably won't — I don't have the time. My reading list these days is mainly scientific material. The next book not in that category is Susan Jacoby's The Age of American Unreason. Nonetheless, a few things that Dowd is quoted as saying in an article in yesterday's San Diego Union-Tribune caught my eye. They resonate strongly with me for reasons I'll discuss after reproducing some pertinent bits from the article.

Science meets belief as couple put evolution in a sacred context

“Imagine a realm of nothingness,” says Dowd, invoking an image of the beginning of time. “God is the essence of that everything. Everything that emerges is not emerging outside of God, but within God..."

“We're suggesting that a science-based understanding of the universe gives us a more grounded way of being..."

When one man asked him where religion fits into this, Dowd spoke of how knowing that God is in the midst of all that is evolving inspires him to be a better person, to be filled with awe and appreciation, and to be a more responsible member of planet Earth.

“We're organically related to the whole,” he says...
Again, I think Dowd goes off the track here and there, but some of what he's saying looks to me like it comes from someone who is on the edge of a certain sort of breakthrough. Some of it also looks like someone holding back from reaching a conclusion that's inevitable if one is honest with oneself about what the idea that "God is the essence of that everything." There's another step to make, I think. What Dowd is saying when he makes statements like these reminds me a great deal of what Ramakrishna said when he declared that "She herself has become all things" in reference to the divine and the profane. Ramakrishna was an interesting fellow; he questioned religious concepts and frequently found himself in trouble for committing transgressive acts, like feeding a cat in a temple. I'm sure that many of the objections that Dowd gets are similar to the sorts of charges that were leveled against Ramakrishna in his day.

So, why am I writing about this, then? Here's the point of it. Dowd has to make one more big step to get to the real end of his arguments and then he'll be right where Ramakrishna got to in a Hindu context in terms of his thoughts on the divine. That is, if the essence of everything is God (to use Dowd's milieu; what exactly we call this "essence" doesn't really matter), then there isn't anything that isn't divine. Or, to put it as a friend once summed up for me as he and I were discussing Tantra, if everything is sacred, then nothing is sacred.

A useful lie for those who need themIf that's the case, then what use is religion at all? If everything is this "sacred stuff" merely poured into different molds, then why is one thing worthy of worship and some other thing not worthy? How would one go about distinguishing things using sacredness as a criterion? Arriving at that point, the whole game becomes nothing more than a charade based on personal preferences, an exercise in bias and of no good use at all. The criterion itself has to be abandoned and some other valuation chosen; I don't believe for a second that we humans are set up to be absolutely neutral about everything and become detached from the world as some religious philosophies maintain. We could spend hours arguing, as Hindu Tantric sects have done for centuries, whether perfect liberation can be attained in this life or only after death or what have you, but the very act of arguing about things that can't be demonstrated is just as indicative of attachment as anything else. For that matter, that I'm writing this right now and bothering to explain anything about Dowd or Ramakrishna or myself shows that I place a priority on something. The whole "enlightenment" game is, I think, a waste of time unless one is looking for handouts from the faithful. The same goes, and perhaps even moreso, for the idea that there's some deity floating through the heavens on a cloud for which some special class of people can act as intermediaries for we "imperfect" humans or that we can choose to accept or reject on an immediate, personal basis. Christianity, Hinduism, Bahai and Scientology are all equally scams in this regard because they all demand some sort of transformation and all start from the basis that we should be something that we aren't to begin with, that there's some particular worthwhile goal that requires that we make ourselves over in some other image. I get the sense from Dowd that he still clings to such notions here and there.

I don't come to this lightly. I went through a rather tortuous path myself. This probably sounds very strange coming from me; in matters of religion, I tend to side with the atheist crowd and I do so because that position is a lot closer to my own than any religion or self-styled spirituality. It's better to reject any ideas we have about gods and the like than it is to assign particulars to it and wind up with petty deities full of jealousies and demands. More games, that. Fairytales we made up when we huddled together against forces we couldn't comprehend, when we couldn't make heads or tails of the world around us but needed to feel that we were somehow special in the eyes of something. A useful lie for those who need themThat this something could be placated, made to look upon us with favor, rescue us from our pains like a surrogate parent peering over the edge of an infant's crib when it cries with colic in the middle of the night. In a word, infantilism. If we are, as Dowd alludes but doesn't quite make explicit, all this same "divine essence," then we are responsible for ourselves. There's nothing out there to intervene for us and we all have the responsibility to be our own saviors — and one another's, too. Jesus isn't coming back because he never left and it doesn't even matter if he ever showed up in the first place because it's all just a metaphor, anyhow. We might as well have been waiting for King Arthur to rise from the dead and rescue Great Britain during the Second World War.

There's a concept of divinity that runs through much of "left-hand" (vamamarga) Tantra that I've found appealing in this regard. That is, the divine is an infinite set that includes any trait we could possibly ascribe to it and the opposite of that trait. To say that it is conscious is no better, and just as incomplete, than it is to say that it is conscious. We can say it's good or we can say it's bad and in neither case be correct. If there is consciousness, it's our consciousness because we ourselves are "the divine." If it's big or small, that's because it's an ant or an elephant. We can't hold both concepts in our minds at the same time; try imagining a thing that's both black and white at the same time and perhaps you come up with gray, which is neither black nor white, and then you are left with trying to imagine it being gray and not being gray at the same time. In the end, why even bother trying to talk about it as something divorced from any particular bit of reality we care to look at as if it were something separate that could be expected to conform to what we choose to think about it?

All we're left with, then, is a pretty amazing intellect of our own with which to work. If we want to understand something, we have to put aside our biases and look at the thing through honest eyes. We have to test it and take it apart and acknowledge things for what they are in the proper context — the world as it is. That might turn out in ways that we find agreeable or it may turn out in ways we find terrible, but things are what they are whether or not we like them that way. It's by understanding the parts that we get a little closer to understanding the whole thing, even if we can never comprehend all of it as one person at any one given time. To my mind, that's the beginning of science and, as it turns out, scientific inquiry does produce useful things. It's not religion because we can't whip out some cosmic yardstick and measure things and proclaim them to be agreeable or objectionable in the eyes of some deity that exists apart from the thing itself. We can't talk about what divinity thinks about or prefers because we can't know any of that, however strenuously priests and prophets demand that things are otherwise. They're all stuck in their own limited minds just as we're all stuck in our own. It doesn't matter one bit what a holy man tells us about "God." Anyone who talks about "divine consciousness" or "the will of God" is telling stories, whipping up lies to steer us in one way or another as if anyone else can know what we ourselves don't know about ourselves.

We get rid of all the moral precepts supposedly coming from on high that make no sense in the real world. Why are religions so often concerned with sexual matters? Perhaps because sex takes our attention away from the prophets and their desires when we're engrossed in our own — but why should that be a problem in the first place? If there are problems in this realm, they exist in the real world, not the one someone else tries to make up for us. We can have a real morality — one based on treating others well, on not doing harm to achieve our own gratification — or we can have the pretend games of religiously-mandated morality imposed from without. The former is meaningful because we understand it viscerally. We own that. The latter is just another parental substitute giving us orders that, as any number of preachers have been kind enough to demonstrate, don't really stick in the end, anyhow. When you're in charge of making up the stories, after all, you know they're just stories. Why put any stock in them yourself?

I wonder when, and if, Dowd will come to realize the full implications of what he's saying. I wonder, too, whether someone like Ken Miller, who describes himself as Catholic, will get past labels and Latin Masses and no longer have to compartmentalize things into "how" and "why" as if describing two different phenomena. Metaphysical teleology is a rather unbecoming habit, I think, and something done in private if it must be done at all. It always involves grandiose assumptions about divine will which is never anything more than someone sitting about and thinking, "Well, if I were an omnipotent and omniscient creator, here's how I would do it." That's nice, but why should anybody else care? Until one starts whipping up successful universes, there's no way of saying that one purposeful act of creation is better than any other purposeful act of creation. It's just meaningless ego-games, really. In the meanwhile, we've got a whole universe to figure out. "Why" is just turtles all the way down. The first one ought to be, "Why should there be a reason in the first place?" It cuts right to the chase, which takes place on a circular track:

"Why should there be a purpose for things to exist?"
"Because something had to have made them."
"Why did something have to make them?"
"Because things must exist for a purpose."

We needn't make ourselves dizzy by perpetually spinning this way. "Why" is only a good question about human endeavors; that we have a purpose in doing something says nothing about things other than ourselves. By what justification can we expect the whole universe to be the result of a human-like activity? Without imposing purpose on it, is it one bit less incredible?

Mind you, these are hard things for me to write about in the space of a few paragraphs. I'm probably being very clumsy about it. Still, I think Dowd seems to be headed in a useful direction. I wonder what might happen if he goes as far as that direction can take him. At the very least, he's a lot less pernicious than the extremists who insist upon the truthfulness of their stories. I'd rather a world with more Dowds than one with more Hovinds and Robertsons. Dowd's ideas may still be a bit more teleological than is justified when one steps back a bit to gain perspective, but he's nowhere near as anti-life as those latter lunatic fundamentalists.

I've rambled enough. Now for reality.

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January 22, 2008

Quote of the Day: Michael Dowd on Evolution and Politics

Evolution is an election issue, and not just because we care about how our children are educated. In light of the largest mountain of evidence ever gathered on any topic in history, no candidate for president of the world's most powerful nation should be given serious consideration if he or she does not accept evolution as a fact of life.

Michael Dowd in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram

I disagree with a good deal of what Dowd, author of Thank God for Evolution!, says in the rest of his column. I disagree that evolutionary biology "glorifies God" or any such thing. I don't see the role of science as being one to glorify anything at all. Understand, yes, but then only what the evidence actually shows, not what we would like it to show.

Nonetheless, if somebody wants to think that evolution is somehow "glorious," and they don't insist on science education and publication asserting that viewpoint, I don't care. We can talk about it, we can disagree, whatever. As long as we keep the theology out of scientific inquiry, who does whatever else they feel like doing with it is their own business.

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